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Post by MissPatTS3 on Mar 5, 2020 22:38:02 GMT
What this is bringing up for me: 1) In my lists above: - Kenya has SKILL professions (alchemy, writing books, etc.) - Ameline has GIGS professions (map events) + University Student career missyhissysjobcentre.proboards.com/post/1123/threadIssue #1: I'm not sure why both were not offered all the professions at once. I'll have to keep testing. 2) We could imagine a Preschool Student "Active career" template for toddlers focused on toddler-aged skills activities. Now, I haven't seen active career folks in my game get much done on their own, as far as career progression goes (for skill & map gigs careers) or even skilling goes (for University students). I'm working on a mod to boost autonomous skill learning for townies, however that relies exclusively on tuning the "skill books reading task" fun advertising. It doesn't involve skill objects as I found that townies do not use much their skill objects when their home is not opened. Issue #2: I would not know how to boost the toddler skill objects autonomous usage. Issue #3: I would not know how to make sure townie toddlers are actually dropped off at a lot where they will be skilling up, since they won't do it at home. (Probably the library, since it gives the "power study" moodlet?) 3) Toddler Kenya in my screenshot above, was assigned the "Painting" career. Now, it brings up the issue #4: there is a shortage of skill objects for toddlers in TS3. How do you get such a tiny sim to paint, what object do you use? A ton of mesh cloning and probably animations would be needed too (standing up to paint on a toddler-sized, tiny easel?).
You can't just click on random skill objects for children-aged sims and up, in my game those skill objects simply show the "Nraas" menu option and that's it. Only the pre-existing toddler skill objects can be interacted with, I found.
Anyway... Food for thoughts.
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Post by T1gerCat on Mar 6, 2020 12:50:32 GMT
I didn't have a lot of mods back in TS2 but the toddler/puppy/kitten ones were a must along with the woohoo bouquet from BackAlleySims! Oh the memories!!
You know it's funny how Sims can be a family game but the game itself doesn't offer a lot of things to to with younger sims. Babies usually cry in their crib and toddlers will just whine on the floor (and can be largely ignored by grown up sims on their own). I even tried inviting another family with their toddler and the parents left it behind! The "Children Can" mod series over at MTS has become a favorite for a reason.
So toddlers can have professions but not careers. Ok that's a good step even though a career would be easier to create and work with. About the different profession options, maybe it's a (hidden) skill thing? And hey, don't shame miss Ameline for being super smart! If lil missy can be a university student, let her! She'll be an uber smart tot while miss Kenya will make nectar! They'll be the youngest professionals in the whole of sims world!
Joking aside, can they do the job though?
In TS2 the activity had an option to draw and play with blocks. In TS3 the same object only has an option to play with blocks. Any chance the coding for drawing is still there but unused? Also, the toy making station has an option to make drums that toddlers can use (and they will do so on their own, much to their parents dismay). The playcare has a mirror in it (unfortunately an older sim has to put the baby in and out of the playground though).
Then MTS has a scribbling pad and a drawing pad that children will happily use (far easier to have a couple pads for the kids and leave the easel to the teens and adults, in terms of space). In theory those objects could be cloned for toddler use (even if the existing animations would be wonky at best).
I wonder if modding the existing Daycare profession to include toddler skills would be easier after all. Instead of keeping the kids and tots happy, have them learn one or more skills per level. Keep the amount of children low (maybe 1 or 2 toddlers at a time) so the sim can focus on teaching things to the toddlers. It still wouldn't be universal but it would be something.
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Post by MissPatTS3 on Mar 6, 2020 20:35:37 GMT
Never heard of the woohoo bouquet from BackAlleySims before today, but I found that they have some fun mods like "Shareable bath", "Buyable baby clothes", "children can pick flowers for mom", "assign toddlers and children as bridesmaids at weddings". This is so cute - all the kind of experiences that I think would make couple lives / major family events (like a wedding) all the more exciting to play: modthesims.info/t/529253You know one thing I really wish? That you had a formal "honeymoon" event for newlyweds. The game would make them disappear for 3 days and come back with moodlets like "went to France with my honey". Now that I think of it, the different profession options probably come from the fact that I have clicked on different menu options in DebugEnabler - though that doesn't mean in anyway that Ameline is not smart. If lil missy can be a university student, let her! She'll be an uber smart tot while miss Kenya will make nectar! They'll be the youngest professionals in the whole of sims world! Joking aside, can they do the job though? I've been thinking about that. Since the mod I'm working on boosts the reading of skill books for inactives & actives, then I could simply boost the autonomous reading of toddler skill books, by inactive toddlers: - the pre-existing ones
- logic: 4 books
- painting: 3 books
- writing: 3 books
[li]creating new, custom toddler skill books [/li] - for the child instrument skills (to replace the need to use the xylophone)
- for the handiness skill (to replace the need to use the activity table)
- for the essential skills: Walk, Talk and Potty training
- for more skills than originally planned by the game.
[/ul] Also, the toy making station has an option to make drums that toddlers can use (and they will do so on their own, much to their parents dismay). I didn't know that! Must be fun to see the parents' react, haha (just like in real life!) I know about the scribbling pad, but I don't know about the drawing pad, got a link? These objects would be amazing to mod for toddlers' usage! Great insight. I wonder if modding the existing Daycare profession to include toddler skills would be easier after all. Instead of keeping the kids and tots happy, have them learn one or more skills per level. Keep the amount of children low (maybe 1 or 2 toddlers at a time) so the sim can focus on teaching things to the toddlers. It still wouldn't be universal but it would be something. I like the idea. My concern is about the "autonomous" part of the activities. In my game / experience, Profession folks never do anything significant autonomously. The only times I see sims do something autonomously is: - when it is related to a rabbit hole building (career, opportunity, services: spa, restaurants, shows)
- when it is related to a community lot that their trait is programmed to be attracted by (athletes skill up like mad at the gym and at the dojo; bookworms spend time in the library, etc.)
- with Buzzler's "Moar Interactions" mod inactives can read skill books autonomously (I'm modding it these days to expand the traits, skills and autonomous usage significantly: modthesims.info/d/437344/moar-interactions.html )
So if I go with the idea of "boosting toddler skill books reading by inactive & active toddlers", then what I could do is use the Professions UI to give a placeholder profession title to toddlers. - They would have to stay home to read the toddler skill books, since nothing happens when toddlers click on rabbithole buildings and their family members won't drop them off at a lot routinely.
- Note: I'd get rid off all cribs (except for my active family) in favor of Arsil's napping mat, that toddlers can stand up from, easily after sleeping and continue to read skill books autonomously: modthesims.info/d/593159/napping-mat.html
- Staying home cancels the idea of a "preschool" creation which sucks. HOWEVER a cool alternative could be to call their profession
- "Preschool: Au Pair": when the babysitter is a Teen or a Young Adult sim, we could imagine from a storytelling perspective that they are foreign students bartering babysitting in exchange of a place to call home. That'd be the average / poor Joe "preschool" option.
- "Preschool: Private Tutor": when the babysitter is an Elder sim, then they could be considered Private Tutors.
[/ul] When they grow into child age, their job history would then show "Preschool Au Pair" or "Preschool Private Tutor". It could give a sense of depth similar to when you discover a sim's past elementary / high school school (public school or boarding school) or past major (fine arts, technology, etc.) Thoughts?
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Post by T1gerCat on Mar 7, 2020 15:30:07 GMT
Never heard of the woohoo bouquet from BackAlleySims before today, but I found that they have some fun mods like "Shareable bath", "Buyable baby clothes", "children can pick flowers for mom", "assign toddlers and children as bridesmaids at weddings". This is so cute - all the kind of experiences that I think would make couple lives / major family events (like a wedding) all the more exciting to play: modthesims.info/t/529253In TS2, my go-to household was the Caliente sisters and they loved to woohoo. Since meeting someone new, becoming friends with them and then being able to woohoo became a bore so... the woohoo bouquet became very well used for them! You know one thing I really wish? That you had a formal "honeymoon" event for newlyweds. The game would make them disappear for 3 days and come back with moodlets like "went to France with my honey". I know I keep harping about TS2 but when you threw a wedding event, a limo would show up and whisk the newlyweds away for the night. Not much of a honeymoon, true, but it made their wedding a bit more memorable than just throwing a party and back to work! If the game can send the parents away for a couple days for the teens to throw a Teen Party, then we should be able to do the same post wedding party! Now that I think of it, the different profession options probably come from the fact that I have clicked on different menu options in DebugEnabler - though that doesn't mean in anyway that Ameline is not smart. I was trying to make a joke, I didn't mean miss Ameline isn't smart. Guess it sounded funnier in my head. I'm sorry. I could simply boost the autonomous reading of toddler skill books, by inactive toddlers: - the pre-existing ones
- logic: 4 books
- painting: 3 books
- writing: 3 books
[li]creating new, custom toddler skill books [/li] - for the child instrument skills (to replace the need to use the xylophone)
- for the handiness skill (to replace the need to use the activity table)
- for the essential skills: Walk, Talk and Potty training
- for more skills than originally planned by the game.
[/ul] [/quote] That's a good idea. Do you think it'd be a problem that toddlers cannot read a book by themselves? Or would the inactive ones just gain the skills as if an older sim read to them? May I suggest less books though? In households with working parents or a lot of toddlers, you'd need a fairly long toddler life stage to be compatible with reading the needed books in time since an older sim is needed. Or you'd have a toddler being able to read the books by itself? Then how would it affect the rest of the skill levels? Would the skill be boosted, much like Child-skills boost the skill level? I know about the scribbling pad, but I don't know about the drawing pad, got a link? These objects would be amazing to mod for toddlers' usage! Great insight. I'm a complete noob at modding so I mainly throw out ideas and see if something sticks, so if I make a completely stupid suggestion/observation, please do tell me! Actually it's the same sketchbook from Univesity Life. The Children Can mod suite in MTS allows children to use it as well. I kept thinking of it as CC/mod but the object exists in the game. Also Arsil has an amazing mod where if you place crayons in toddlers' invnetory, they can draw on walls. modthesims.info/d/593434/toddlers-extra-activities.html It's not the same thing but it does allow their painting skill to be used. In my game / experience, Profession folks never do anything significant autonomously. The only times I see sims do something autonomously is: - when it is related to a rabbit hole building (career, opportunity, services: spa, restaurants, shows)
- when it is related to a community lot that their trait is programmed to be attracted by (athletes skill up like mad at the gym and at the dojo; bookworms spend time in the library, etc.)
- with Buzzler's "Moar Interactions" mod inactives can read skill books autonomously (I'm modding it these days to expand the traits, skills and autonomous usage significantly: modthesims.info/d/437344/moar-interactions.html )
So if I go with the idea of "boosting toddler skill books reading by inactive & active toddlers", then what I could do is use the Professions UI to give a placeholder profession title to toddlers. - They would have to stay home to read the toddler skill books, since nothing happens when toddlers click on rabbithole buildings and their family members won't drop them off at a lot routinely.
- Note: I'd get rid off all cribs (except for my active family) in favor of Arsil's napping mat, that toddlers can stand up from, easily after sleeping and continue to read skill books autonomously: modthesims.info/d/593159/napping-mat.html
- Staying home cancels the idea of a "preschool" creation which sucks. HOWEVER a cool alternative could be to call their profession
- "Preschool: Au Pair": when the babysitter is a Teen or a Young Adult sim, we could imagine from a storytelling perspective that they are foreign students bartering babysitting in exchange of a place to call home. That'd be the average / poor Joe "preschool" option.
- "Preschool: Private Tutor": when the babysitter is an Elder sim, then they could be considered Private Tutors.
[/ul] When they grow into child age, their job history would then show "Preschool Au Pair" or "Preschool Private Tutor". It could give a sense of depth similar to when you discover a sim's past elementary / high school school (public school or boarding school) or past major (fine arts, technology, etc.) Thoughts?[/quote] I only use cribs for babies. It's insane that the game doesn't have toddler beds so the lil ones can go to bed or get out of it on their own. The napping mats are one of my must-haves (and not just because they save space in the house)! My computer can hold the game but professions do make it lag so I try to avoid them. In fact I converted Daycare into a rabbithole career for that same reason and plan to do the same with other professions I like but playing them makes my game crawl! That info shared, I'll take your word on professional sims not advancing autonomously. On the same note, my game at least, has no problem leaving townie toddlers home alone (my household is the only one that will get the dreaded Child Services visit, it seems). A mod that would spawn a babysitter for all townie toddlers would cause quite a bit of a lag. Wouldn't it be easier/lighter for the game if the profession was given only as a name/job history and the inactive toddlers did the skill studying on their own? For the names.There are three options I can see. 1 - Preschool: Home Grown - A toddler that learned the skills at home with a stay-at-home parent or grandparent. 2 - Town-Name Preschool - A toddler in the care of a babysitter (much like the game offers already) and it'd be for the poorer sim families that must work to make ends meet and leave their tots with a friend or neighborhood nanny etc 3 - Preschool: Au Pair - A live-in Au Pair that would be for the richer sims. I'd use Private Tutors for child or teen sims but that's just me. In turn I'd manage the learned skills accordingly. - A stay-at-home toddler would be more balanced in skills and social (since the parent or grandparent would take it on outings and playdates so that the parent/grandparent can see their own friends).
- A neighborhood toddler would be more social but would have lower skills (since the neighborhood nanny wouldn't be so interested in the child skilling but just by dumping a bunch of toddlers together they interact a lot). It'd lead to more social and/or artistic sim children.
- And the Au Pair option would result in high skills but lower socials since the Au Pair would be dedicated to the one toddler (and proof of the toddler's skills would mean the parents wouldn't fire the au pair). As soon as the Toddler ages to a Child, I'd have a pop up window with a private school offering a position for the child. Depending on learned skills/traits, it'd be the appropriate private school (or a second window opening up where the player can choose a private school).
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Post by MissPatTS3 on Mar 7, 2020 21:55:21 GMT
I do miss the limo showing up at TS2 wedding events... That was so romantic. I did get the joke! I forgot to add a "wink" smiley, lol. My bad. In my game, toddlers can read a book by themselves (after I manually placed the books on the floor of both active and inactives' lots, using various Nraas mods, they crawl in their direction, then sit down and read them), however I have to direct them to do it. I never tested if inactive toddlers can crawl to the books on the floor autonomously.
I'm hoping it's just a question of tuning the fun advertising of the skill book reading task... If it does require user direction or an adult for this task to happen, then yeah there's a big risk that my whole modding idea becomes impossible to achieve... For the number of books -
I was planning on focusing on the "essential skills" since they have the biggest impact on a proper sim's development (walking, talking, potty training). These skills would be "must haves" / mandatory. - Then every other skill is a "nice to have" and I'm hoping will be affected by the toddler's own traits (artistic sims will read painting skill books, etc.)
- Another way to limit which skill books toddlers have to read, is to only put the skill books you want them to read on the floor, and never give them other books.
On that note,
the amazing sims 3 modder Twoftmama has created these 2 mods:
For the skill boost -
The drawing pad - Wow the "Children" can mod is content-packed! I had read the description superficially but somehow missd the sketchbook unlocked for toddlers. I love this kind of added functionalities and realism in mods. Will download! I did know about Arsil's mod but never found it very useful since I was *so* busy teaching the essential skills to my active family toddlers on the "normal" lifespan (potty training takes forever). Now, I do like the painting skill increase when they daw on walls - I'll get it for my active fams. Arsil napping mat - I just discovered today that Sandy over at Around The Sims 3 has created a 4t3 bed frame conversion that works with Arsil's napping mat: They look adorable, real bed-like and definitely save space! Minimal lag version of the mod - It's a Placeholder career title to stop the EA Careers system from assigning random jobs to your sim. Essentially, it adds a new option on the computer, "Change Employment Title", in which you can choose the title and description to display on the Career Tab for your unemployed sim.
The problem is that I don't think a menu appears when a toddler clicks on a computer? Now maybe a menu appears when they click on the Store tablet (MultiTab)?
I'll test the "Unemployed career" to grant some "Preschool" title to the toddlers and tell you how it went. It's the only workaround to using Active professions, since toddlers cannot have rabbit hole careers at all sadly. Preschool names, related storytelling & related skills -Love how you think! It's so creative and makes a lot of sense, actually. I did check and you're right: live-in Au Pairs are indeed quite expensive in real life. One extra step for the Preschool gameplay realism, would be to have the game bill weekly the households with the more expensive Preschool options (Au Pair). Preschool Au Pair toddlers getting private school offering on child ageup event -
I'm not sure if there is such a feature in game, even for regular skills. When children who go to boarding schools age up as teens, Parents still have to manually call to re-enroll the teens into boarding schools. So unfortunately I don't think this one is possible :/
Edit: thinking of it, University Students who have the social group hidden skills, DO get a special full time career offering at level 8 of Nerd Influence / Jocks Influence / Rebel Influnce. That could be a good starting point to test the feasibility of your idea.
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